I think I may have lost a friend and I'm very sorry about that. He's a good guy and means well, he's just stuck in a loop imo and can't get out... on the other hand I could just be maligning him unnecessarily.
K:
I don't particularly
care about Trump or the Democratic party.
They seem all
equally corrupt to me.
But you are totally
wrong about gun control.
It is dead.
Ignorant kids can
fall for it for awhile, but kids don't vote.
Nor do I think the
police or military would actually try to implement the kind of gun
control the democrats are pushing.
It is suicide for
the whole party, once you go down that road.
Unions, labor, poor
people, etc., none of them are going to support gun control to that
level.
I lived through 2
students being killed in my senior year, and I can tell you that all
the students were very happy there were armed teachers and
janitors.
If modern students
don't get it, then they are insane and part of the problem.
You can't possibly
make any one safer by disarming the honest people.
Me:
We do disagree a
lot but that's OK, I think because we are both looking for the larger
truth.
Nobody in this
country really cares about the ME or the people in it. If they did we
would have been out of there a long time ago as you suggest.
But they DO care
about their children and now you are siding with the people who
killed their children. Times are changing my friend, the kind of
libertarian individualism you espouse is beginning to have the odor
of dead fish about it. People who once might have railed against
Ruby Ridge and Janet Reno are pretty much over that now and you have
Mr Trump to thank for that. You and other old people may see him as a
beneficial disruptor but the kids are very much aware that he's
pathological liar who cares for no one but himself. He made a Yuuuuge
mistake when he started to go after the FBI. He lost the youth (and
rightly so). He may well survive on the backs of the white racists he
has courted so avidly but the future belongs to the Florida high
school kids. I believe the tide has turned. If you want to keep your
guns better find a good deep hole to bury them.
Me, again: Y’know I don’t think you guys have thought this through, any of you.
What do you imagine
would happen if your plans for resisting the government actually came
to the top of the soup?
I’ll tell you what
would happen:
There are
approximately 17,985 state and local police offices in the US
employing 765,000 sworn police officers, about 100,000 part time
officers and 44, 000 deputies. This doesn’t count the 120,000 full
time federal officers (US Marshalls and such).
This is about 1
million police officers… how many people who would willingly pick
up their firearms and fire upon the police have you got?
And of course this
doesn’t even count the National Guard (remember them? The guardians
of the constitution within our borders? Armed with military grade
weapons)
Currently the
National Guard has about 210,000 active members on duty. You should
really have a look at this document in regards to the national guard
in case you had any fantasies of various governors rising up to
support your insurrection.
And if that was not
enough there is the US armed forces which is authorized, on the
President’s command, to suppress insurrection and or revolution in
the United States and Posse Comitatus be damned.
Btw the US Armed
force has about 2,280,000 soldiers
That's about
3,476,000 trained crowd control officers and professional warriors to
face your...? What? 100,000 do or die guys? 10,000? Or do think
Captain Moroder will save you?
They have howitzers
and Bradley fighting vehicles. They have Abrams tanks and LAWS
rockets and .50 caliber machine guns and flamethrowers, They have
bunker buster bombs and nuclear weapons ferchrisakes.
And what do you
have? A bunch of AR-15s and a lot of handguns… are you kidding me?
Use the tools that
are available without the patently false bullshit like Scalias
twisted interpretation of the 2nd. Stop with the NRA, they
don’t give a shit about you and your individual rights, they are
there to promote gun sales. Run as far away from them as you can.
Get together in a
real gun rights organization and hire really good lawyers to preserve
as much of your rights as you can.
Disabuse yourselves
of the notion that you can ‘win’ this fight. The children are
really pissed at you, it’s too late. Get used to a lot more strict
oversight and monitoring of your gun privileges, if you’re very
very smart or have very very smart lawyers, it might be as easy as
having a driving license. If you’re intransigent (ie, stupid) it’ll
be a lot more like getting an FBI high level security pass… with
full body cavity search.
There may be perks
with this. I can easily see a Presidential National Emergency
directive ordering any criminal and/or gang member/and or ‘raping’
mexicans shot on sight. Trump really likes Duterte… this may be his
chance...
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